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MarcdeKoning - Administrator Traffic Value: $468,983.12758 Netherlands 0 like this post 0 people 14/05/2014 09:25 I like the idea, but whenever I would buy this upgrade I would definitely change my ad filter lol. (yay another $10 for mtv!) blaxbla Traffic Value: $27,232.49886 Croatia (LOCAL Name: Hrvatska) 0 like this post 0 people 14/05/2014 09:34 So with these upgrades users can also end up in the loss (if there are a lot of upgrades)? If this is the case, would that be good for business, because if people start complaining about how they are losing money here...  Jo Traffic Value: $8,649,585.93592 Spain 0 like this post 0 people 14/05/2014 09:53 Nobody is forcing you to upgrade. I love how everyone expects to have a risk free opportunity to make loads of money instantly. The world does not work that way. We could code in something that extends the upgrade an additional 24hrs, if you have not received at least your purchase price back in delivered ads. Still technically a loss in terms of BAP; but I guess that would be less painful. And in terms of the business - it'd result in more purchases. colasander Traffic Value: $386,747.05153 Netherlands 0 like this post 0 people 14/05/2014 09:56 Jo, when do you think you can implement this upgrade? I Like it.. Just one question, is it only the 1% ads with a minimum value of $0.50, or also with a minimum value of $0.01? slosumo - Administrator Traffic Value: $28,438.4426 Slovenia 0 like this post 0 people 14/05/2014 10:03 If an extension would be added until you have received at least X of ads that would be great! No BAP needed as it's speed you're buying, not potential return. Looks fine for me with this added! Jo Traffic Value: $8,649,585.93592 Spain 1 like this post 0 people 14/05/2014 10:28 There are two upgrades: Mini = $2.99 Receive all the 1% ads $0.01-$0.49 in value each. Mega = $19.99 Receive all the 1% ads $0.50+ The mini one will likely be popular, as it's cheap. And that gets 10 * 1% ads for all campaigns $1-$49 in value. (There'll be thousands of ads issued daily for that one) And the maxi one is for high value users; you only earn on ad purchases $50+ ... but if someone buys big. Then you make a huge chunk of money with very few ads to view! * And if you're planning on investing big yourself; buy the upgrade in anticipation of that. Cashin on your own purchase! ... $10k ad campaign; generates $1000 of these 1% ads. Also, i've updated the programming specification to include the 24hr extensions, in the event that you haven't at least received your purchase price back in ads come the expiry date... So you get a whole extra day worth of ads. (And another whole day again, and again, if that still isnt enough) ----- Implementation time, Hard to say. The programmers are working on ad view errors right now. We have found at least one cause of those -- its the ads recycle cron which runs every minute. And it has to check a table with 2.5million entries in it; which takes ~2seconds. And during that time it's creating problems we think... We're investigating solutions now. Maybe sometime next week at the earliest. blaxbla Traffic Value: $27,232.49886 Croatia (LOCAL Name: Hrvatska) 2 like this post 0 people 14/05/2014 10:33 The problem is that a lot of people buy something and then ask questions, and if something bad happens or purchased product didn't meet their expectations  then all hell get lose. People just don't read, we have seen that here at MTV, they invest and then ask how it works, where are their investments, why it is taking so long, and so on. And we all know that bad comments are spreading faster than good ones. I think that you should present these upgrades in a way all people will understand, and that they will know what they are actually getting and possible risks involved. Just thinking about PV's reputation here, because I like it.  oPatricko Traffic Value: $125,324.67968 Netherlands 0 like this post 0 people 14/05/2014 10:36 Nobody is forcing you to upgrade. I love how everyone expects to have a risk free opportunity to make loads of money instantly. The world does not work that way. I don't expect a risk free opportunity, even buying ads in PV isn't risk free. But if I want to risk my money, I just play one of the games. I think people expect something out of this upgrade, and If they don't get that delivered, they start complaining. Jo Traffic Value: $8,649,585.93592 Spain 2 like this post 0 people 14/05/2014 10:39 I think we'll set a minimum BAP requirement for the upgrades; Mini = 30,000 BAP minimum Mega = 250,000 BAP minimum That way you can afford to receive at least 3x the purchase value in ads... And it also encourages people to accumulate more BAP. MarcdeKoning - Administrator Traffic Value: $468,983.12758 Netherlands 0 like this post 0 people 14/05/2014 11:07 $3= 6k BAP? 6k x3=18k $20= 40k BAP?  40k x3= 120k detraephot Traffic Value: $6,467.88006 Germany 0 like this post 0 people 14/05/2014 22:11 So with these upgrades users can also end up in the loss (if there are a lot of upgrades)? If this is the case, would that be good for business, because if people start complaining about how they are losing money here.. Isn't that the same with most PTCs? People invest and rarely get back what they put in. Even in Neobux you apparently need years to actually get anywhere with the highest upgrades and good referral managment. And most still lose, complain and the site is still online. MarcdeKoning - Administrator Traffic Value: $468,983.12758 Netherlands 0 like this post 0 people 14/05/2014 22:21 Most ptc's/rev-shares are like that. Like Adhitprofits that cost me 750 dollar. After a while I had to click 30 ads a day to make $0.02 a day back. I quit doing that and now they deleted my account, outrageous. oPatricko Traffic Value: $125,324.67968 Netherlands 0 like this post 0 people 15/05/2014 07:33 @detraephot: The only big difference with renting referrals and the PV upgrade is, when you are renting referrals, you will know there is a calculated risk. Read the TOS of for example NeoBux: Rented referrals are distributed based on an activity rule but we cannot predict or assure how they will behave afterwards. So, no guarantees here. Jo also needs to update the PV TOS when he is planning to implement this upgrade. Maybe even place a warning before purchasing the upgrade. So people will know that there is a risk. @MarcdeKoning: Closing or suspending accounts is common practice with most PTC's. AdHitProfits is no exception, it's also in their TOS. So why are you calling that outrageous? If you want your account to be reopened, just click the 'Re-Open a Closed Account' button on the homepage. tupko Traffic Value: $32,122.18249 Croatia (LOCAL Name: Hrvatska) 0 like this post 0 people 15/05/2014 09:52 and you also forget that other money hungry, non user-friendly ptc admins can't wait to find some miserable reasons to ban your account unlike Jo Jamal Traffic Value: $114,601.66988 Spain 0 like this post 0 people 15/05/2014 10:48 Read the TOS of for example NeoBux: Rented referrals are distributed based on an activity rule but we cannot predict or assure how they will behave afterwards. @oPatricko: In Neobux there are referrals robot, everybody knows that....Neobux is only propagan, 100% of rent refferals are robots, Neobux is fraud also cozz the memberships cant recovered. People is blind and dumb cozz never say truth. Jo Traffic Value: $8,649,585.93592 Spain 0 like this post 0 people 15/05/2014 11:41 Yea, a typical PTC model is unsustainable. It requires that a large percentage of people never reach the minimum cashout. As 1million users; $0.05 per day. Is $50,000 per day. And if they're selling fixed ads for $100/day. There's no way they're selling $50k worth of ads per day. Add in cashier fees. Plus referral commissions. Plus hosting costs. And an overall profit for the admin at the end of the day. PTC's are not a good business model the way 99% are run. Little value to advertisers, due to all junk traffic & bots. No valuable user is going to waste time viewing $0.01-$0.02 ads. So its just a cycle of one PTC promoting another. But the ones that last; have a good system of getting people to try it for a week or two, then giving up and sacraficing their account. No cost; and a constant turnover of new people looking to make money for free. Is how they keep going. But they have a very high rate of attrition in their user base. And Ad Hit Profits wasn't even a PTC; it was a blatent cycler type ponzi that kinda paid daily. Buy your position, join the queue; get daily payments until ___%. And after a crazy spike in growth; inevitable death as absolutely not sustainable... It just transitioned into a PTC to kinda cover its tracks. I even offered the admin a way to monetize his traffic, but he turned it down... Though I see he kinda took the advice on board, to a very limited degree in terms of refocusing on actual real advertisers... But now it's just turned into another worthless PTC. Though it still has traffic for the moment, but its in decline. oPatricko Traffic Value: $125,324.67968 Netherlands 0 like this post 0 people 15/05/2014 12:13 @tupko: I was talking about AHP. Not other PTC programs. And I can remember some people being banned from the MTV forum too @Jamal: Yes, I know they are robots. I was just referring to their TOS. But now it's just turned into another worthless PTC. Though it still has traffic for the moment, but its in decline. Why attacking AHP? I use their services everyday, received lots of referrals from their advertising. So I don't know why you are calling AHP worthless? About your 'sustainable comment'. It doesn't matter if a program is called AHP or PV, if no new money is coming into the system, it will dry up. Money doesn't grow on trees, not even here Jamal Traffic Value: $114,601.66988 Spain 0 like this post 0 people 15/05/2014 12:48 About your 'sustainable comment'. It doesn't matter if a program is called AHP or PV, if no new money is coming into the system, it will dry up. Money doesn't grow on trees, not even here But in PV there arent ad fixed, 100% of ad is real. When there arent money there arent money then people not earn money, it simple.....but in Neobot ``Neobux´´not, cozz always there are same ads Jo Traffic Value: $8,649,585.93592 Spain 2 like this post 0 people 15/05/2014 13:04 PV has its re-investments into MTV. As they mature, there's sufficient funds to repay all. That along with recycling, makes our model completely sustainable. And MTV has banned a few blabber-mouths from the forum; but everyone gets paid. oPatricko Traffic Value: $125,324.67968 Netherlands 0 like this post 0 people 15/05/2014 14:35 @Jamal: I was referring to AHP, not to Neo. @Jo: Thanks for explaining.

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