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yen0110
Traffic Value: $10,312.28018 Netherlands
19/07/2014
02:39
Hello,I am a full-time forex trader and I have been monitoring the market of the MTV shares for several weeks now. Because this is a closed market, we all benefit if the price of the shares increases. I have a few points of constructive criticism. - The market is currently very easy to manipulate. In my view it is not a good idea that one can see the supply. At least not in sizes like one can see it now. - Moreover, I do not agree that someone can offer his/her shares to the market for a unlimited time for no extra cost. I suggest that there will be a small commission asked if you have your shares open for more than X days on the market. You want to sell shares but in the meantime you keep earning dividend on your shares. That sounds to me a little crazy. Finally, I would like to make one last radical suggestion. The price of shares is the result of supply and demand. On the buy side: The price is now X value. You choose to buy Y amount of shares. The system will look for Y amount of shares, and automatically buy up the nearest offer to the current price. This continues until the system purchased the number of shares you requested. On the sell side: The price of the shares is once again X value. You decide to sell your shares. Each .000 level can contain X number of shares. As an example, we use 250 shares per .000 level. It does not matter if these 250 shares are from one owner or multiple owners. Every time a set of 250 sell shares are filled the price drops a level. A lower level may mean that the price drops 0.001 cent. For clarity, one can only see the current price and the sell price (For example 0.001 cent lower than the current price). You may be wondering what the advantages of this system are; - This is a system purely based on supply and demand. - It prevents direct manipulation. One can still drop the price significantly, but by X shares per level you prevent that someone will sell one share at a time to drop the price harder. - You prevent support and resistances levels. Price levels at which one want to sell for example 300,000 shares at a time (Currently at $0.0979). That takes in the existing system ages to be sold and ensures that the price will only drop further. - Selling and buying shares will be anonymous. At least on the market. It's not a problem if someone sees the name of the seller or buyer after the transfer. - The volatility on the market will be much and much higher. You ask X transaction costs per successful trade. The more the same share is bought and sold the more you will get from the transaction fees. When the volatility is high enough, people can even start scalping. (Buying and selling shares during the day to try to end up with a profit.) This idea is not finished, but we can finish it together. If you have questions feel free to ask. Best regards, Yen
hyipmoney
Traffic Value: $101,199.99303 Malaysia
19/07/2014
06:24
yen you got the point.i agree that the supply size should not be visible, it is human nature to drop the selling price a bit whenever they see a huge roadblock.
DC27
Traffic Value: $588.14759 United States
19/07/2014
06:26
I also agree with this.
lynxary
Traffic Value: $32,405.21707 Ukraine
19/07/2014
07:14
Cool ideas. Need to be implemented 
MisterGreen
Traffic Value: $22,303.8091 Netherlands
19/07/2014
07:48
So what would you see as the marketplace ? Levels of shares listed per 250 and their price per $0.001? Not sure if I understand.Then, selling one share at a time doesn't really drop the price since that one share will be sold quickly. Roadblocks are a bit of a problem but on the other hand create a good opportunity to buy masses of shares at low cost. He's basically giving us a good deal. Anonymity's a good suggestion though, less social pressure if any.
slosumo - Administrator
Traffic Value: $28,438.4426 Slovenia
19/07/2014
08:05
Neat idea, though the sell side should be similar to the buy side. Anyone can list at any price without the X(250 in your case) blocks needed.And I think anonymity is really needed. Currently whenever there is someone making a "strange" trade people start talking about him/her on the forums immediately. With recent events you can start to see how transparency is bad for the market. Manipulation is way too easy and for sure some people are hesitant to buy shares because of this.
MarcdeKoning - Administrator
Traffic Value: $468,983.12758 Netherlands
19/07/2014
08:15
I really don't like the idea's. We don't need manipulation, we just need some big investors with a clear mind that are not hyip-related and try to run off with 1$ in profit.Why would we need manipulation for a growing company? We just need bright people that see the opportunity and buy off all hyip-related investors. You need to see the opportunity in a decreasing share-prize atm. You know that Paidverts will buy up all the shares in the long run and you WILL make profit. So all we need is that people act upon a great opportunity because I'm pretty sure you can easily quadruple your cash in short term and make a fortune long term 
mahipalreddy
Traffic Value: $275.84175 India
19/07/2014
08:37
nice.......
slosumo - Administrator
Traffic Value: $28,438.4426 Slovenia
19/07/2014
08:46
Marc, I agree with you. But still, I think anonymity on the share market could be a good thing in the future ( it's not a priority, but when time allows). Like you said we don't need manipulation, but unfortunately the current market makes that real easy and it may repel other shareholders.But yeh, anyone with cash available should definitely buy up now.
hrjustinptc - Forum moderator
Traffic Value: $8,376.82638 United States
19/07/2014
08:59
I got an idea lets leave the seller market alone. Leave the sellers name for that part. But on the bid you can block out the username. Then people can bid or create bids anonymously.
dguy
Traffic Value: $15,993.01608 Canada
19/07/2014
09:35
I don't think you need to worry about the single share problem because they still need to be approved and Jo would pick up on someone selling or buying hundreds of single shares and likely not approve them. Especially now that he knows the trick they are trying
inditech
Traffic Value: $13,962.16825 Australia
19/07/2014
10:23
I like it the way it is. I remember when people where complaining about selling their shares just before it doubled in 1.5 weeks..now, I think they are happy they took the cashout and invested in 250PP, coz soon they will buy cheap shares again!haha
rtrplay
Traffic Value: $65,453.30658 Sweden
19/07/2014
10:25
in all my trading stocks days i have never seen a locked down market...i can see all sell bid of my stocks in my trading system and thats is good, and i cant understand who is scared of a 380000 roadblock just because you dont have all the cash right now, think long-term and stop thinking short-term and you earn much more because you can never rely on that you wll win short-term both in forex and stocks, you will also get dividends so who cares of 0.11 or 0.12...pennys are to cheap to think of. Best is to buy and buy don't think about the roadblock....until all sellers are gone and the demand will get to next level 0.15 dont find any that have commision that way you want and we also get dividends in real sharemarket until you sold all shares, "education" you need....better to do what we must do create new products, we should not focus on who is selling or why he is selling, why care of what some other do all the time if we want to sell we sell to get cash for something we need, selling rule 250 or whatever is stupid
Jo
Traffic Value: $8,649,585.93592 Spain
19/07/2014
11:52
Manipulation... The shares have an intrinsic value. That is the cash dividend paid each week based on our turnover. So they're always going to be worth a multiple of that. This is not like BitCoin, where the coins have ZERO value by themselves, and 100% of their value is in supply & demand. Anonymity... I don't see the purpose behind this... Why should I be allowed to sell my shares in secret? Surely anonyimity is a tool of manipulation more than any other. eg. If the admin lists all his shares for sale (in secret), that information should be known. We may not file such info with SEC like a regular business would, but with our system its all transparent anyway. Negating the need for any such oversight. And I prefer people to be accountable for their actions in public... if they're spewing bullsh*t on the forum, whilst doing the complete opposite with their share trades. People should be able to understand that person is either a hipocrite, or trying to defraud/manipulate you/others for their own gain. 250 rule... I can't say I see the point behind this. Only allowing 250,000 shares to be pre-loaded on the marketplace at a given 1cent range. Forcing the value to change by a mirco cent... That's just complicated, and I can't see it achieving anything. Selling: Automatically accept bids within a range... This could be a good idea. Other Ideas: Bulk Buy This would make buying more user friendly.... "I want to buy _____ shares" or "I want to buy $_____ worth of shares" ..... then the system looks at the existing marketplace and calculates the total cost, buying however many shares at each available value until your order is satisfied. Fixed Listing Periods When you list your shares for sale; they list at the value you've specified for exactly 7days. They cannot be cancelled prior to that. And they automatically unlist after 7days. (Re-List again for free if you wish to sell) Dividend Forfeit Perhaps in combination with the above; any shares listed for sale on the marketplace will donate their dividends that week to the portfolio. ------- But at the moment, I don't really see any issues with our shareholder marketplace. I think it works as it is. People buy/sell for whatever they want. And the collective opinion is our valuation. And that is the very definition of a valuation. Just because it doesn't go up 1% every single day... doesn't matter. You can't force that. And when the price fluctuates; that creates opportunity! If the general concensus is temporarily bad; but you see a long term opportunity -- then take advantage.
rtrplay
Traffic Value: $65,453.30658 Sweden
19/07/2014
12:23
i will sure sell mine if the sharemarket will be changed...Bulk Buy idea is good... dividends should be paid to current shareholder even if it's some shares is on sale we own them until they are sold Fixed listing make a problem if i decide to sell some shares at 0.12 to get money investing in 250FT then re-think about sell price and quantity i would be able todo so without waiting 7 days and loose more shares and money than i wanted because i changed my mind, this is so the real sharemarket works, people need to start thinking about why a company is worth buying and the future not why some are selling now, if a company grows buy if a company do not grow and profit sell...
yen0110
Traffic Value: $10,312.28018 Netherlands
19/07/2014
13:12
Hello everyone,Let me first say that I accept everyone's reaction. I am grateful for the time that everyone put into it. First, I will try to answer some questions. @MisterGreen The current price will be indeed based on whether X number of shares is filled. 250 shares per level was no more than an example. The point of manipulation was about the current system. Currently you can drop the price down to 0.001 cents if you want and keep it there for a while. Ofcourse it's the investors right to do so and this is also realistic for a market, but because there are relatively few investors it can do the system in my eyes too much damage. @Marc de Koning I assume you mean by manipulation that the price is determined by the system? Do not misunderstand me. I am at peace with the present system, but I find it too easy to say sit back and enjoy the show. With this system, I just want to increase the volatility. (which is also additional revenue for MTV.) @Dguy Approval should, in my view, only be used against hackers and theft. MTV radiates transparency. If anyone want to sell one share at a time he should be allowed to do so. We don't want to create a form of censorship. What we can do is to build a system where it does not matter whether someone sells one share at a time. @Rtrplay My problem with this is that I do not believe that demand will eventually buy up the supply. It is to my knowledge currently everytime the same people who buy up shares and I do not expect people from the outside with sufficient funds to join MTV anytime soon. Eventually you get a situation where the price can only drop because there is oversupply and too little demand. And since almost everyone here is a ´´ sit back and enjoy the show ´´ investor there are few people who scalp on a daily basis. Scalpers can increase the demand on a daily basis. Someone can always learn and I can only confirm that I´m not omniscient. But I do not appreciate it that you personate me as a stupid person with stupid ideas. At the end, it´s in the investment world not about how much knowledge you have, but it's about how much money you can make. And while you may'm very proud of all your knowledge and brag about it, you can´t buy a single bread from it. I have empathy for the way you react, because you probably see this idea as a danger for your own shares. And eventually people find change often scary. But next time try to respond politely. It will do you good. Btw, the commission idea was based on swap rates that we have in the forex world. Swap rates represent something else, but it gave me the idea for the commission. Have a wonderful weekend everyone. Best regards, Yen
rtrplay
Traffic Value: $65,453.30658 Sweden
19/07/2014
13:26
@yen0110i was not saying you was a stupid person i just feel we focus so much energy to this sharevalue and not real products and most important helping new members with their deposit/cashout problems yes i know about commission on forex and how much the forex company earns...we on the other hand loose every time if we don't are lucky, the rate up and down for gold is going on the nerves  and hard to get a win situation with small reserve, one small move in wrong direction and BANG loose and start over, the only winner is the person that have a couple 100k as reserve to compensate this, i have seen this to many times, small investors loosing every time following big investors because they don't have enough cash as reserve
dguy
Traffic Value: $15,993.01608 Canada
19/07/2014
13:27
@Yen,We have already had a big investor come in under the new system so it is more than possible for it to happen many times again. Jo has put incentives in place to encourage big investors to join so don't rule that possibility out. Also, the share approval has been in from the start and does solve a lot of the problems you are concerned about. I don't recall the reason Jo first implemented it. Maybe he can expand on that @Jo, Bulk buy would also save you work as you only have to look at the trade from the buy side in order to approve it instead of having to look at many small sell side trades.
NOSANTOS
Traffic Value: $413.05204 India
19/07/2014
17:05
Can anyone tell me where does the cash dividend amount gets added. I have checked my cashier log and cannot find the dividends added to my earnings.
kamil333
Traffic Value: $385,783.27887 Switzerland
19/07/2014
17:07
http://www.mytrafficvalue.com/shareholders.html#statisticsCheck dividend history, money should be added to mtv earnings balance. |
