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druth8x
Traffic Value: $22,417.44153 United States
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25/03/2017 04:44
Ad Packs Yesterday: 996

BA: 2390400
AA: 4756089
Removed: 7.15MIL

Total BAP: 726248976 (+253,553)
Active BAP: 635275879 (-80,488)

Payouts/Bets = Edge:
48,306,000/49,478,648 = 97.5%

Active Accounts: 60534
Unique Users: 27811
druth8x
Traffic Value: $22,417.44153 United States
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26/03/2017 09:25
Ad Packs Yesterday: 1,592

BA: 3820800
AA: 4754996
Removed: 6.2MIL

Total BAP: 728627535 (+2.38MIL)
Active BAP: 637340080 (+2.06MIL)

Payouts/Bets = Edge:
100,672,482/104,191,216 = 96.5%

Active Accounts: 60323
Unique Users: 27095
druth8x
Traffic Value: $22,417.44153 United States
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27/03/2017 20:22
Ad Packs Yesterday: 799

BA: 1917600
AA: 4681493
Removed: 9.16MIL

Total BAP: 726067875 (-2.56MIL)
Active BAP: 633366386 (-3.97MIL)

Payouts/Bets = Edge:
66,430,091/70,862,062 = 94% (~4.4MIL)

Active Accounts: 60232
Unique Users: 26878
druth8x
Traffic Value: $22,417.44153 United States
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28/03/2017 19:00
Ad Packs Yesterday: 994

BA: 2385600
AA: 4877495
Removed: 8.11MIL

Total BAP: 725220078 (-848K)
Active BAP: 631611893 (-1.75MIL)

Payouts/Bets = Edge:
63,193,674/65,675,943 = 96% (~2.5MIL)

Active Accounts: 59961
Unique Users: 28328
gugakip
Traffic Value: $739.34329 Belgium
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28/03/2017 19:44
I'm going to jinx it, but we removed some debt for a few days in a row! smile 
Axiantor
Traffic Value: $14,813.95087 Portugal
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28/03/2017 19:51
2 blues in a row grin
fraser
Traffic Value: $11,569.46477 Australia
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28/03/2017 22:27
@gugakip

Only because the house edge was in our favour, once that returns to 'normal' then the debt will rise again.

So, that brings me to this thought.

It appears at around 96% payouts/edge we may be able to reduce or at least control the debt, whereas 97% and above the debt creeps up (and sometimes leaps up).

Rather than a complete overhaul of Paidverts, should we be tweaking the odds on the BAP games to control the debt?

Don't get me wrong, I still want the players to be in with a good chance of winning (as it makes our games more attractive than those of another company), but a 1% tweak is a small movement, and if it made Paidverts sustainable, then perhaps that would be a price worth paying?

What do you think?
richiem
Traffic Value: $680.27326 Philippines
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29/03/2017 01:03
(For the second time) I would suggest bringing down the bap-tax-free days to 7 from the current 14 days.

I think this would reduce the free BAP we give away in AA.
carvalho17
Traffic Value: $28.3459 Brazil
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29/03/2017 01:08
From what I see, the bap market/ads issues(all of them)/daily tax seems to pay the AA costs and the house edge balance with BAs bought > more BA purchases with lower house edge = increase debt/ less BA purchases or bigger house edge in pv favor = lower debt.
druth8x
Traffic Value: $22,417.44153 United States
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29/03/2017 01:18
One solution is to find a way to increase BAP GamePlay to ~250K/day.
On avg, this would remove ~5mil BAP/day.

Currently, we are lucky to hit an avg of ~100K/day avg.
Thus, ~3mil+ BAP in additional removal via House Edge Games (as they currently are) is what we'd add to the removal equation.

~3mil avg more, is about what would be needed currently to stabilize/slightly reduced BAP debt.

The above math is based on an all games avg of 98% House Edge.
fraser
Traffic Value: $11,569.46477 Australia
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29/03/2017 01:46
I thought the same @druthx8...increase the volume will increase the reduction, but, increasing the volume could probably only be achieved (in a meaningful way) by having more active users, hence more BAP in circulation.

Now if you can think of a way to increase the volume without increasing the new BAP, then you're on to a winner.
druth8x
Traffic Value: $22,417.44153 United States
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29/03/2017 02:44
There is plenty of room for BAP gamblers to play at this current lvl of BAP debt.
Just look at the past high BAP playing lvls, with even lower BAP debt.

We just need to broaden the base of players (esp of volume as it would only take 1 or 2 big players each day more).

This might be easier if when we launch "MyMoneyGames" we also have the BAP version on that platform as well. Though, I don't think the plan is to share the same balance, so BAP would have to be rethought.
richiem
Traffic Value: $680.27326 Philippines
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29/03/2017 03:58
Another perspective I can think of is this:

When we have 500M+ active BAP, Group Ads paid is around $1000
Now we have 600M+ active BAP, we are still paying the same amount in Group Ads. 

This may be compared to a credit card debt when you are only paying the minimum amount which is usually lower than the interest created. Thus, the principal is not decreasing and, combined with the unpaid interest, creating more interest.
Vixthra
Traffic Value: $2,179.00664 Slovenia
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29/03/2017 09:56
Hm... I would very much like to have a potluck game (or whatever you would call it).

Something like this:
A 10k BAP main prize and 1k BAP ticket price with ~900 BAP added to the pot and ~100 deducted and ~10 ticket per day limit. With that it would take only 100x1 plays for breaking even or 10x10.
At that point there would be 1 winner chosen at random daily for the prize.

However with more participants, higher/no ticket limit, different BAP to prize conversion etc. the prize would increase and split to create more winners:

10k
20k
30k
40k
50k
60k
70k
80k
90k
100k

Starting prize is 10k but when it would reach 20k it would first create the 2nd prize of 10k before increasing itself to 30k - and so on.

I guess it would be worth the time to make this game + there could be a widget or something on PV main pages to enable instant ticket buying from it.
Axiantor
Traffic Value: $14,813.95087 Portugal
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29/03/2017 13:20
Thanks Vixthra. Send it via support ticket please.
druth8x
Traffic Value: $22,417.44153 United States
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29/03/2017 22:47
Ad Packs Yesterday: 875

BA: 2100000
AA: 4922369
Removed: 6.85MIL

Total BAP: 725394717 (+175K)
Active BAP: 632988706 (+1.38MIL)

Payouts/Bets = Edge:
70,939,510/71,945,326= 98.5%

Active Accounts: 59836
Unique Users: 28723
druth8x
Traffic Value: $22,417.44153 United States
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30/03/2017 11:44
Ad Packs Yesterday: 982

BA: 2356800
AA: 4943887
Removed: 6.44MIL

Total BAP: 726257152 (+862K)
Active BAP: 633783991 (+795K)

2356800 Payouts/Bets = Edge:
48,917,372/50,972,261 = 96%

Active Accounts: 59741
Unique Users: 28530
druth8x
Traffic Value: $22,417.44153 United States
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31/03/2017 10:55
Ad Packs Yesterday: 1,047

BA: 2512800
AA: 4865128
Removed: 5.44MIL

Total BAP: 728192388 (+1.94MIL)
Active BAP: 635299170 (+1.52MIL)

2356800 Payouts/Bets = Edge:
64,078,306/64,243,521 = 100%

Active Accounts: 59610
Unique Users: 28407
druth8x
Traffic Value: $22,417.44153 United States
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01/04/2017 03:10
Ad Packs Yesterday: 1,087

BA: 2608800
AA: 4591700
Removed: 6.27MIL

Total BAP: 729118636 (+926K)
Active BAP: 635785776 (+487K)

Payouts/Bets = Edge:
50,881,962/52,088,309 = 97.5%

Active Accounts: 59237
Unique Users: 26936
druth8x
Traffic Value: $22,417.44153 United States
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02/04/2017 03:51
Ad Packs Yesterday: 1,723

BA: 4135200
AA: 4689292
Removed: 5.05MIL

Total BAP: 732897148 (+3.78MIL)
Active BAP: 639518794 (+3.73MIL)

Payouts/Bets = Edge:
47,848,405/48,544,552 = 98.5%

Active Accounts: 59071
Unique Users: 26882
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