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igetpaid Traffic Value: $420.31646 Germany 4 like this post 0 people 08/02/2018 13:34 Thinking of all the pros and coins I thought about a fourth option: Just leave it as it is. As slosumo said, the ad issue looks very attractive right now and I´m working daily to reach the 15%, it mostly takes only 2-3 Referrals, which is not very much, but the earnings for this are between $0,50 and $1 which is a lot. This really encourages me to help my Refs to click more Ads and to get more Refs and I think every small referrer thinks similar. And yes I like the new ways to help the new members and as jagodinac123 mentioned, to give them easier access to the sponsor Details (if the sponsor allows this). By the way, it would be also cool, if you can write a reply and reading the topic at the same time, as it makes it much easier to refer to the post you want to answer  harriette Traffic Value: $12,342.70038 Netherlands 1 like this post 0 people 08/02/2018 13:36 option 2 i think is the best. slosumo - Administrator Traffic Value: $28,438.4426 Slovenia 5 like this post 0 people 08/02/2018 14:16 @Crimson Just reducing BAP tax is indirectly costly on the site, even for just 14 days. 14 days of no BAP tax means that's a "loss" of 1400 BAP per user, and with ~700 registrations per day that means a ~1mil BAP loss/day (or BAP debt increase) for the site, or 30mil per month. I agree that BAP tax for a first time user is confusing/not ideal, but just removing it introduces a whole new problem, especially on such a big scale. A more moderate/acceptable version would be (and would also remove extra confusion of "why do I get more BAP ads the first few days and then they're reduced) - remove the extra 100 BAP activation ads on first 3 days, and also remove BAP taxation the first 3 days. This would result in no extra/less debt reduction, but would remove the "whoah wth is this tax" reaction the first day. But at the expense of that reaction - "huh they suddenly started charging me BAP tax for nothing!?!?!?" on the fourth day. Probably still the preferred outcome with more positives than negatives, and one option that is the most balanced/sensible imo to this point - when it comes to BAP tax. passivetools Traffic Value: $30,993.31104 United States 4 like this post 0 people 08/02/2018 14:45 3. "Third, we are discussing a new advertising option which allows advertisers to just target the new users that joined during the past 30 days so they will have a constant flow of new users to reach." This is an epic Idea!  -------- catering to the new member is probably best,  because they signed up, there is an interest. but if it is too confusing or annoying to learn. they never return. and the old members 'the referrer' already knows the system, and knows the value of keeping that new member. --------- as for the free micro ad, it should be a one time option to accept. ( probably hidden in your 30 inactivity email) giving it on the first day will lead them to believe they are 'owed' free ads all the time. #mindset --- Winter's bite is still around our throats, stay warm and have fun. lol igetpaid Traffic Value: $420.31646 Germany 4 like this post 0 people 08/02/2018 14:46 Well, I don´t know, I can´t remember the whole new "introduction" when you join this site, but do you explain there about BAP tax and other Special things that only PV has? Maybe an FAQ for new members would be great, some questions and some simple answers which you can read in a few minutes, not much detail, but just explaining these things everyone gets confused about jordy186 Traffic Value: $868.5955 Netherlands 1 like this post 0 people 08/02/2018 15:46 i would like to see that my small ads that i get from the ad issue could be distributed to my "active referrals"instead or use that money involved in the smaller ads towards extra ad issues to new users Also what i am always kinda wondering. Where is the referral money going from the "portfolio account" Cant we use that towards those things ? DanTheMan Traffic Value: $4,069.99578 Germany 0 like this post 0 people 08/02/2018 16:43 My targeted ad has stopped displaying again since 4 days, you said one of your developers would check daily so that this doesn't happen again. That doesn't seem to be the case. Fix it please, thank you. Vixthra Traffic Value: $2,179.00664 Slovenia 1 like this post 0 people 08/02/2018 18:50 Haha, what's this? stark100 Traffic Value: $729.96203 Hungary 4 like this post 0 people 08/02/2018 18:53 Hamadouche2533 is selling 7 RPs. Vixthra Traffic Value: $2,179.00664 Slovenia 0 like this post 0 people 08/02/2018 18:56 This happens a lot? I don't remember seeing it before. Edit: Ah, his username is too long, right? MarcdeKoning - Administrator Traffic Value: $468,983.12758 Netherlands 11 like this post 0 people 08/02/2018 19:45 Thank you for your feedback, it helped and changed my original idea. Since we have the micro ad pack and we will come up with a new advertising option, it should indeed be sufficient to reach the pool for anyone who either participates in the paidverts coop or puts in a little bit of effort. If not, we will change the 7 day period into a 14 day period. After that we would go for option 3, reducing the amount of ads your referral has to click. Changing it until we find a formula that makes it both profitable and attractive to go for. We started the pool to incentivise referring, it should not be too easy. We will include an explanation on how to contact your upline in the "we miss you"-emails. hopvscape Traffic Value: $2,036.3384 Peru 0 like this post 0 people 08/02/2018 19:58 I vote for this:  -We extend the period in which your referrals can click 100+ ads for you to apply to the pool from 7 to 14 days (you will get access from the moment they finish their 100th ad until the 14th day after their sign up) jagodinac123 Traffic Value: $390.26943 Serbia 0 like this post 0 people 08/02/2018 20:10 Let`s hope users will read those ``we miss you`` e-mails. dguy Traffic Value: $15,993.01608 Canada 2 like this post 0 people 08/02/2018 20:51 You don't need to drop it all the way to 25. Maybe drop it to 50 first to see where that goes. I guess you have the stats behind the scenes so there is that. I guess there is no chance to change the formula so that referral commissions are higher? MarcdeKoning - Administrator Traffic Value: $468,983.12758 Netherlands 5 like this post 0 people 08/02/2018 21:05 Referral commissions are among the highest you will find out there. 10% on ad pack purchases and many other advertising purchases and 5% per click is a lot of income if you accumulate a few active ones per month. druth8x Traffic Value: $22,417.44153 United States 2 like this post 0 people 08/02/2018 22:28 Andraz, I've already explained this (but I think it was in the tl;dr post): That ~1mil BAP is faulty logic (even if it was the full 2mil that is being taxed to all new and old, it's still faulty logic, even if your number doesn't include inactives and it's more like half a mil, again faulty logic). Many users join, gain a few BAP and then leave. Whether we recoup that BAP through taxes Day 1 or Day 10, we still recoup it...meaning no additional debt for those members, of which is the majority of newbies, who become active for a short time (1 ad or a couple days). The debt recoup is just delayed. For the rest, these are our more active long term members, we want to keep them around if it costs 700 or 1400 BAP (I think 1 week is enough, but I have not looked deep into retention, and it would change if they still see BAP in their account), that is a small price to pay (~$0.18/.36) MarketRate) to reel in to the boat once they've been hooked. Marketing to get them hooked costs more than that (Dguy wants it to be $1 or less). Once these users are hooked, at the very least, they are more eyeballs for our advertisers, but they can also look around the sites to play games, do cash offers, advertise themselves, partcipate in the market (even just provide their upline with ref commission and the upline can use it for the site on non BAP products) etc. Thus, they are bound to overall break even or probably give us more in return than they initially cost us. It's a long hard to anaylze journey, but in the end, no BAP debt is added (at least not which is covered with cash). kent052 Traffic Value: $1,016.72433 Barbados 2 like this post 0 people 09/02/2018 11:21 In the BAP market its look like there are people cheating on the market. There was someone with a huge amount of RP to sell and i was about 3-4 block down now i come and see two huge amount of RP in front of me again. And investigation needs to be done. dguy Traffic Value: $15,993.01608 Canada 0 like this post 1 people 09/02/2018 15:33 Marc, What I meant by changing the formula is maybe switch the current commission ratios around. So maybe it would instead be 5% on sales 10% on clicks instead of what it is now. The reason for this is because most people start out clicking so the referrer would start recouping their expenses faster. It might be more lucrative for the ad sales but those would be farther between so we would make less at a slower rate. If most people come in as free and start clicking, then to have a higher click commission would get more cash flowing sooner. slosumo - Administrator Traffic Value: $28,438.4426 Slovenia 3 like this post 0 people 09/02/2018 16:05 @dguy that's an interesting idea, but as one of the main promoters can you confirm that you would indeed earn more this way? From my own experience I am getting more from ad sales from new refs, than from clicks. The ratio is 3:1 in favor of ad sales commission. dguy Traffic Value: $15,993.01608 Canada 0 like this post 0 people 09/02/2018 17:24 No, this I can't confirm but I do get a steady flow of income as opposed to pops like you would expect from ad buys (except for that one guy that I talked about). When I check my stats, it is almost all click income. It is very difficult to find ad buys in that What I can confirm though is that when clixsense was running their PTC I had a steady income from clicks. Much more so than sales but they also did not have BAP sales like we do so it is similar but with some incongruency Another point too though is that even if we lower the BAP commission, that person is going to be clicking to monetize those BAPs so in the long run, we'd make the money up that way

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