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Destinyman
Traffic Value: $12,015.20829 Slovenia
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01/04/2017 21:58
@gugakip

"Quite some moderators (no credits to myself, but most of the other mods) have been testing the BTC sending to eachother... But they couldn't test it with the same strain on the servers as we had with the launch now of course"

Couldn't you have used some stress testing tools like JMeter to simulate many users?
register
Traffic Value: $3,456.01946 Belgium
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01/04/2017 22:00
@dguy

You see, people who want to earn money from clicking ads or viewing ads do not want complicated set ups like BAPs. They only want to earn cash from looking at ads. They do not want to do the BAPs thing, which is to REQUIRE them to BUY ads. Buying ads is for advertisers. 

Advertisers and clickers are two different groups of people. Sure, some members are both advertisers and clickers but not everyone. Most people joining PTC sites only want to EARN not BUY ads at all (but some clickers are willing to pay upgrades from earnings if they can earn more). Advertisers want to buy ads for the views that their sites can get from the members of the ptc site, and most advertisers also are not interested in clicking ads for cents, becoz they earn more cash from the leads/sales/registrations on their website advertisements. 
dguy
Traffic Value: $15,993.01608 Canada
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01/04/2017 22:01
This was done with the Traffic Exchanges about a decade ago. The motive was different. TE owners saw their original exchanges max out so they decided they should open a second exchange and then sell that to all their old members. The motive was to sell more upgrades to the people who had them in the first exchange. This was a way to double their money. Instead of finding ways to bring in new members and improve their product (which many members were asking for) they went the easy route. The problem is that it didn't work. It just gave many of the same members more work to do thus diluting the effort and weakening their old products even more.

They also tried the 'new gimmick' method that you guys are talking about. It was a short term fix.

Bottom line, people want money and more of it. Prices are going up most people do not know how to refer and others are competing for their labor. If we can't figure out a way to grow their income and not their work, they will go to someone who can

We spent a lot of money building PV. If it is not working to maximum potential and increasing revenues for all, maybe we need to look at why
dguy
Traffic Value: $15,993.01608 Canada
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01/04/2017 22:16
I agree register buy as an advertiser, people who are buying ads, upgrading and doing other things like that are more lucrative. This was actually explained by clixsense years ago regarding their advertising to premium members only option. Premium upgrades are members who have proven they have a payment processor set up online. So they are much more likely to be an convenient sale.

It was also a point about MTV. People with more traffic value obviously have more money to spend, thus they are more lucrative to advertisers. And, to be honest, people who can't figure out how the BAPs work might not be able to understand what the advertiser is selling them. That BAP system is a bit of a turing test for people to read and comprehend a website. I know that may sound arrogant but it is true and not intended to come off that way.

The BAP is also a way for advertisers to get their advertising for free. I've said that many times before. They won't get that in a regular PTC. If advertisers only understood that and were able to earn their cash back in a timely way like a few months (which is probably our main problem right now), they would be climbing over each other to join the site
mobstergr
Traffic Value: $1,973.06526 Cyprus
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01/04/2017 22:17
In the whole very unpleasant context of the day something very good happened to me (and I'm guessing I'm not the only one). A couple of hours ago I got paid by sumo roll and as I had used the BTC address given to me by MTV to add funds, the money got credited to my BTC balance in MTV right away. I even got advantage of the very low RP price at that time by the way too. smile
register
Traffic Value: $3,456.01946 Belgium
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01/04/2017 22:18
Traffic Exchanges are very different from Paid to Click sites. They are not the same. TE sites are for members viewing each other's sites by earning credits or points. Members of TE site have websites to promote. Whereas, PTC sites are for members viewing advertisers ads by earning money or cash. PTC members do not need to have their own site to promote, they are only there to get paid to look at ads. Most PTC members do not have a website to promote, unlike TE members where everyone has at least one website to promote.

Well anyways, I really think that the BAPs of PV is confusing for new members coming from any PTC site on the internet. I guess, that is the reason why new members leave and go back to the PTC sites they are used to. 

Also, most people joining PTC sites come from countries that earn more from the currency exchange of the dollar to their local currency. They do not bother with BAPs, they want cash, and earn more of that cash that they can actually see it on their account balance increasing the more ads they viewed.
dguy
Traffic Value: $15,993.01608 Canada
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01/04/2017 22:31
TEs should have evolved into PTCs. Their problem was that they did not want to pay members to surf. That was mainly because of the threats of paypal. Even back then.

Their other problem was that they were selling impressions for $5 - $10 for 1000 views. The PTCs came along and started selling for $1 or less. I was one of the people telling them they needed to bring their prices down and they scoffed and said the member bases were not the same. Well here we are a decade later and the TEs are a shadow while the Bux sites have improved on the PTC concept because they started paying members more, innovated and listened to their customers and members. If you don't innovate, listen to the crowd and give them what they need someone will come along and build something that will. I'll bet all the big PTC and bux site owners were all once members of TEs if they are old enough

and you don't need a website to advertise. You can put just about anything in there. Even your favorite news or hobby site. The space filler is one of the easier problems to solve. That is probably something we should explain better
joe31800
Traffic Value: $6,016.01548 United States
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01/04/2017 22:39
Many many of our paidverts members left because they just wanted to click adds and make cents. They did not want to buy ads, move up the BAP ladder, exchange BAPs for RPs, get MTV shoved down their throat, get sw@pped, and start all over again. THEY JUST WANTED TO CLICK ADS, AND MAKE A FEW BUCKS.  
We do not have a simple offering like that under the MTV umbrella. Sure, you can remain a free member and just click your 3 cents worth of daily free ads, but it looks complicated and overwelming to many simple ad clickers. We need at least one simple PTC with no BAP, no MTV, no goups, etc. Maybe one easy upgrade level, a nice direct referral commission program, and some offer walls. No debt created, no ads distributed that aren't actual paid ads, etc. Only cost would be set up (crowd funded) hosting and some support, which should be minimal with a simple program. If it turns out to be a losing proposition, shutter it or sell it. Creating products like this, then selling them, or the script can be lucrative as well. Just some long term thoughts. I would definitely invest in one.
bigbadmoose
Traffic Value: $520.60691 United States
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01/04/2017 22:43
Dguy not only members a few of them were or are owners of TE still. While TE are a shadow of what they used to be they still around and making their owners money. In fact some of the newer PTC out there have brought the TE idea into the PTC game. MAP, CMAP are a couple at the top of this game. They branched out and are trying to get everyone under one program. Which is a great idea as it sure up your company base. If you can pull in the 3 types of people on the internet trying to make money. You pretty much going to make a name for yourself.
joe31800 you make some very good points there. I return to PV after a long break and just been doing my BAP ads since i had the ad filter before i left it set a .01 so until i get to point i am in a group that get that ad daily i am just going to keep building BAP. I got a surprise today and got 2 0.02 ad off my recycler i bought before i left nice to know that things lasted that long. which i just used to get me 9 more RP.
register
Traffic Value: $3,456.01946 Belgium
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01/04/2017 22:55
I believe that people who join TE sites are there to advertise their own business/website. That is the main purpose of TE sites, to exchange ad views or "exchange traffic" between members for their own blogging websites or business website in order to get traffic visits from real people looking at their sites. But then, there are now TE bots that does the job automatically of earning credits without actual human traffic/visits. 

As for PTC site, it states it is a "paid to click" site, so members assume that they can earn cash from looking at ads. They are paid ca$h to do something, which is to look at ads or websites from other members (that buy ads) or advertisers (that want traffic to their websites). Forced view ads were added in order to give advertisers what they want... human traffic (not robot traffic). Members of PTC sites usually do not have any website to promote, becoz they only joined PTC site so that they can earn cash that they can cash out as real money. Cash they can see increasing in amount the more ads they viewed, or more work (offers, PTSU etc) they do within the site.

But, it is really interesting for MTV to create a new PTC site (without BAPs). Coz right now, the internet is LOOKING and WAITING for a big brand new PTC site. I would probably invest my BTC refund from MM if there is a new crowdfund project for a brand new PTC site, simple enough not to require BAPs and jumping hoops for new members.
Vixthra
Traffic Value: $2,179.00664 Slovenia
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01/04/2017 22:57
Regardless of your notions, PaidVerts system is good. It requires some tweaks, a change of approach and it has the potential of coming right back on track.

That being said, creating a new similar-kind-of-a-website solves nothing. Apart from all other earners our company is already supported by an investive foundation and an advertising foundation.
The thing about moving forward and going longterm is to manage what you have and expand forward from that - not copy and remain in the same spot.
vecors
Traffic Value: $2,173.146 Portugal
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01/04/2017 22:58
I personally do not blame anyone for the frustration of what happened today. We were "naive" by trusting on PE to sell us the script. We always looked at MM as a side-project where people could make some cash, MTV could get some funds to help repay FTQ and what not.

Ok. It didn`t worked. We are tired, frustrated, but you know what? We are also another thing as a team:

STRONGER THAN EVER!


Nothing will get in our way to make MTV the best platform around and our products a success!
We have shown we are not quitters. We have shown we are here to make great things happen.


Are you with us? If your answer is yes, then you may be sure you`ll be rewarded! 


We are more motivated than ever to make things work. March was a "test month" for our new products, iron out bugs, fix it, perfect them.


We will now have all of our products fully working and ready for a massive and "aggressive" marketing! You`ll see the results with your own eyes.


MM was just a hickup, a small bump in the road but nothing else than that.


Lets work. Lets give it all! grin
register
Traffic Value: $3,456.01946 Belgium
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01/04/2017 23:08
@Vixthra

Yes Paidverts is good, if there was no BAPs involved. BAPs is the reason why members need to login to MTV in order to exchange BAPs for RPs and to the ultimate goal - ca$h. BAPs is also the reason why simple members in PV who only wanted to earn cash from viewing ads are now required to buy ads to replace lost BAPs and to maintain the group level/income potential. Whereas, a simple PTC site, members can just pay an upgrade fee from cash (one time, yearly, or monthly), if they want to earn more and that's it. No worrying about BAPs going up and down at all, whether you are in same BAPs level or how much is the exchange rate of BAPs to RPs and so on. Ca$h is easy to compute and understand, while BAPs, RPs and MTV... new members from PV just want to give up one way or another, and go back to other PTC sites. 

A brand new PTC site from MTV should not be similar to PV, it will have no BAPs. No need to exchange BAPs to RPs to get hold of the cash. No need to login to MTV, if they don't want to. No BAPs to confuse both advertisers and clickers. MTV still has no product like that.
bigbadmoose
Traffic Value: $520.60691 United States
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01/04/2017 23:18
Well let go with Marc thinking here. He looking to start a new company to get rid of the tarnished image, Negative things surrounding the MTV name. Well i think we could do the same with PV and make it work again. But as long as the name PV sticks around everyone going to think of all the negative things they heard about it. Does matter then it been rebuilt and there not been a swap in awhile. Sorry not actual sure when the last one was. Still most of the people out there see PV and that what they think of. So maybe make a copy of it only this time dont make the groups 10 and above until it has it legs under it. That what killed it the first time.

register what you described was what PV was suppose to be from the start. It was never suppose to be a feeder program into MTV. It was suppose to be a stand alone product. Until someone changed all that with his bad idea. The whole BAP thing works as long as you have 2 things people buying more bap and you are actual only paying out profits from the site. Not adding in all the other elements we had before the crash of PV.

The main reason PV failed the first time was it got to top heavy to quick. The unnamed person in charge just seen dollar sign and did not bother to actual build a foundation for them dollar signs. If the groups above 8 maybe 10 would never have been added to at the start. I think PV would be a whole different story. I think by now it would be able to support them groups with the same amount of payments it was making. We also would never have had the total mess we been dealing with for 2 years.
joe31800
Traffic Value: $6,016.01548 United States
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01/04/2017 23:29
@Vixthra


I think you're missing our point. 

Nobody is saying Paidverts is not a great product. No one is saying to necessarily change it. It is just not for everyone, or maybe not even the majority of PTC users. Not sure what the active member base is at CS or Neo, but I bet it is much greater than the active ad clickers at PV. There must be a some reasons.
 
The conversation revolves about creating a sister product to PV without the ties to BAP, MTV, OR PV, etc. Something that the simple ad clickers will visit and click religiously 7 days a week and help with our daily result. 
Not sure why some of you folks are so against adding a simple PTC to our portfolio. If it's that big a deal for some of you, F it then. What's your great ideas?
hrjustinptc - Forum moderator
Traffic Value: $8,376.82638 United States
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01/04/2017 23:35
It probably would be a good idea to create one more site. You can keep it separate or maybe have an option to link it to the existing PV/MTV accounts. Just really plan it out combining the best aspects from other top sites that have been running successfully for years now. I have just always felt like PV with the bulk ads there should be a default site link and ad that people can use. I understand the pros and cons of making a new site or just focusing on making a site better. The main reason NB and CS are still around is not because they make huge profit. They are only around now because they focused on sustainability. They just always made sure to charge a bit more for the advertising and upgrades then they paid out to the clickers. No PTC site will ever make massive profit super fast the margin is just not there. 
register
Traffic Value: $3,456.01946 Belgium
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01/04/2017 23:43
@bigbadmoose

Yes, I know. I joined PV at the start. I believe PV launched on March 31, 2014. I saw a banner of brainy somewhere and clicked it. That time Nerdbux (original site) was dying and people wanted to join a brand new PTC site... Yes, Paidverts was simple at the start... additional features were added as months move on. Later on, the BAPs, then the inevitable swaps. And the rest is what it is now. Paidverts is good... we just need another PTC site to attract the other group of clickers/advertisers/members that do not like the complication of BAPs.
bigbadmoose
Traffic Value: $520.60691 United States
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01/04/2017 23:44
In the case of CS lie to your user when you get upset cause a certain payment process is going to cut into your profits with there new fees. So you then set your self up to writing checks once a month cause you have no other good options for a large group of your users. Yeah he play on the well known fact of how the certain processor give PTC fits. The only reason i dont believe him was because he made the announcement 1 day after the processor post the fee changes.
dguy
Traffic Value: $15,993.01608 Canada
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02/04/2017 01:34
So what person out there wouldn't come back or get active in paidverts if they were being paid $5 to watch a 5 second ad? That is the point. You would be stupid not to and stay where you are getting paid $0.001 for the same ad.

It is not about PV, it is about how much people can earn here and how fast.

The BAP market was designed to help people get paid that kind of money. Without it, the value of those ads will not rise very much and you will only attract a certain type of clicker. One that can't afford to buy the products the advertisers are spending money to sell to them. If advertisers can't make money here and are only paying people to click, they will not stick around and the site will dry up
joe31800
Traffic Value: $6,016.01548 United States
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02/04/2017 03:00
That is great. $5 for a 5 sec ad. We all know and love that, but who can really get that? 
Not your average ad clicker, just people willing to invest hundreds of dollars in BAPs. Paidverts is really a PTC for people that are willing to invest some cash for a big payoff. That, unfortunately, is a small percentage of the people in the online income game. Most just want to spend an hour, click some ads, and cashout their dollar or two. I personally think that market can still provide some income for MTV. Right now, we don't have that.

You suggest that only people that invest and show up for the big ads will buy what advertisers are selling. Well then how does CS and Neo do the volume they do with their .001 ads. It's ironic that you just suggested on the April 2nd news thread that Neo will provide good advertising for us. Really? Neo is mostly filled with those pesky, useless .001 ad clickers that can't or won't invest in what we're selling, right?

I'm not trying to be a D, I'm just curious as to which one it is. Penny clickers are valuable (we should advertise there) or penny clickers are useless (let's not waste our money advertisng there). You have said both today.
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